music institutions

I felt like writing something about this as in the last few weeks I’ve seen some quite bleak comments about music schools from a series of respected musicians speaking in the press and on social media sites. I have been in music institutions since I was 14 until I was 22 – so obviously I have a particularly strong experience of the subject, but at the same time I feel like it gives me some things to say as well.

Ive read some things recently that claim that the reason for ‘uninventive’ or ‘shit’ (as one Berlin based guitarist put it) music (in jazz particularly) is music schools. The various people talking about this said that music colleges churned out players with no imagination and that sounded all the same to each other. The way I see it is that within every generation of musicians (regardless of genre) there are those who embrace current musical movements, or recreate past musical movement, and those who define new ones, all to varying degrees of success – this existed long before Jazz (or any type of music) was being taught in Colleges – the reality is that there are just more people playing Jazz now (which is a good thing right? – I mean however many people are really good at it, it’s a good thing to be isn’t it?)

I think Music Colleges are hard places to be, and also hard places to teach at. With Jazz you are teaching something that by it’s very nature is intuitive – but also is something that is based on knowledge and at some level on theory. It also something that in reality no-one has the right to determine ‘good’ or ‘bad’ – but just whether they like it, or respect it – or in fact, no-on has the real right to define what it is.. * these things being it’s main strengths* But it is hard, not impossible. To be able to provide a student with the right amount of information for them at the right time for them is hard – but incredibly important! With the right piece of information (however small) you can provide a student with enough inspiration to listen to the same record for months, but give the person too much and they feel trapped and defined by what you have given them – and unable to break away from it. This is a challenge you will meet whether you attend a college or not however.

The truth is if I didn’t go to college, I wouldn’t have met ALL the people in my band who I love playing with, I wouldn’t have found out about so much music (or at least it would have taken me a longer amount of time) and I wouldn’t have had something to kick against. This last point is important – College gives you something solid for you to accept or reject, it asks the question and demands the answer. Some people will always agree with everything College says, and some people will also reject it – and most people will do a healthy mix of both. I can safely say that a big part of what made me want to play the type of music I want to play was how it was presented (or not) to me at college. Saying all this – I am sure if I had learnt music away from music institutions I would have learned many of the same things, and might have worked in a different and perhaps (for me) better way, but that was my choice to make – without preconception. Also, I am not generalizing about all the people that make music who didn’t study at music college.

Sometimes I worry that this view on music college is born out of a feeling of defensiveness – the idea that somehow the knowledge you gain is worth more if it is not taught to you. The reality of course being that we are taught by everything around us constantly, we cannot help it – it is just a matter how you present things. This attitude can bring up preconceptions between musicians and is very unhealthy for creative music making.

Also the reality is that at a music college, your music has to belong in a system for a while. This is good practice! Sometimes it will fit it, and sometimes it won’t – this is how it is in the real world! For better and often for worse – one’s music just belongs in a bigger system – be it record sales, media, getting booked – all sorts of things, and as I mentioned before – sometimes having something to kick against can propel you in your chosen direction more intensely than if you remain unchallenged. Now don’t get me wrong, I am not saying that the only way to be a jazz musician is to go to music college! Far from it.. I am just saying that it is a tool, and like any other – it is what you make of it, it suits some people’s goals well and other’s not – it is also has too broad an output to make generalizations on. What you can get at a music college is musical relationships and knowledge – what you do with these things is up to the individual, but surely any person or institution willing to pass on this knowledge is worth supporting and trying to improve – not blaming.

Having gone to what I consider (I mean this with full respect) a fairly conservative music college, I don’t (and didn’t when I left) feel that I had to play like my teachers and nothing else – instead I felt/feel happy to be able to finally explore my own thing after having been extensively taught the tools with which to do so with more understanding and choices (which although painful at times, I value greatly now).  Music isn’t forced on anyone – it isn’t an obligation that everyone is born with, it’s a choice at every step. People on the whole don’t play if they don’t want to, and the on the whole they play in a style they like and respond too. What I fear is that when these big Jazz musicians suddenly declare that most Jazz is shit nowadays, that a lot of people with less confidence in their playing than Branford Marsalis will feel threatened and paranoid, and feel unable to explore new things without fear of failure. I also fear that when people blame Music Colleges for the music that they don’t like, (or make rash generalizations that are deep down based on taste) it will discourage people from trying out learning in an environment that might have suited them as well as I think it suited me. It will most definitely not work for everyone – but nothing does.

~ by kitdownes on September 21, 2011.

8 Responses to “music institutions”

  1. Well said.

  2. Well said Kit, if we replace the words music college with art college – why should art and the way it is taught, equipping those that love their subject with the opportunity to meet great tutors, gain skills and broaden their interests in order to develop their own language, not be comparible to music. Indeed, some musicians and artists may plough an old furrow and gain much personal pleasure from that but the attitude towards colleges you describe certainly shows a lack of understanding of what actually happens during the studies and the personal journeys that involves.

  3. I agree with most of what you say, Kit, but if we’re thinking of the same Berlin-based jazz guitarist then firstly I think he said ‘there’s a lot of shit jazz music’ rather than ‘most of it is shit,’ and secondly I think he has a point that could justifiably be attributed to what is going on in a lot of Conservatories today ie. a half-hearted approximation of the “bebop” style. As I see it, a lot of this has to do with Jazz being taught visually (and far too similarly to the way classical music is taught in the same institutions) as opposed to orally, which is where jazz came from! As a result a lot of people graduate from their music school without properly learning/respecting the fundimentals (this happens far less at the Academy I gather!) enough to really excel with their own ideas.

    • hi d, i think it is unhelpful to generalize about this topic. also i don’t really think kurt is justified in passing a broad criticism about a load of music he hasn’t heard, and which is all based on his subjective opinion. It is far more helpful to look for positives rather than the somewhat bleak outlook he puts forward. maybe he could write a post with some positive techniques to deal with some of the problems that you mention, but instead he just darks out. I also don’t think it’s very nice for people at music colleges to hear some one like that talk that way, it isn’t particularly encouraging.. I wouldn’t pretend to be knowledgeable enough to say what the right way to teach improvised music is, but I am just saying that generalizing doesn’t help anyone

  4. I agree so whole-heartedly with the opinions on intimidation and those of rejection. I spent a fair bit of my time at college scared, whether it was playing in Jam sessions in front of more experienced guys, in front of certain teachers whose musical preferences and approaches would undoubtedly shape how I crafted my improvising, and it certainly had a negative effect. I felt as if I couldn’t go out to jams until I had nailed certain concepts and licks, and it wasn’t until I left college that began to play ‘naturally’. However, I now think back and know exactly how not to approach my playing and practise just as well as how to approach it. Treating music as an artform again with no fears towards my choice of direction has been refreshing, and having something to kick against was definitely a large factor in my recent enjoyment in the art. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but to belittle jazz education without any specifications is certainly going to have a negative effect.

    Surely the teaching of a creative art has to also include a large degree of thinking on one’s feet whilst always grounding itself in proven traditions. I have found that my time within institutions has shown me an array of people who teach using past methods, embracing current methods and occasionally those who really do define new ideas and concepts in the classroom/lesson. It all echoes the nature of the music in which it strives to pass on. Dave Liebman said that students should always ‘walk out knowing something they didn’t know before.’ If you walk out after your first day in an institution with the knowledge that it definitely doesn’t work for you, then that’s a step forward. However, the fact that this is very rare surely shows that they are a healthy environment for art to be ‘taught’ and practised. Their existence would be compromised it the opposite were true, and the applications for places would not be constantly on the up even during economic instabilities. Young kids would not be inspired upon seeing recent graduates pick up MOBO’s and Mercury’s if the artists truly had no voice due to ‘uninventiveness (is that a word?).’

    I’ve met almost all my favourite playing colleagues and many inspirations through institutional ties.

    • nice one tommy, hope alls well

      K

    • Hi Kit
      Hope yr well..i wont add to the educational comments as i agree with much of what has already been said,but just to weigh in a bit about Branfords comments:Having read the article there seems to be a mass of contradictions in what he is saying.I dont think its helpful or indeed respectful of him to pass judgement on individual artistic developments within the music..To reduce this to “Most jazz today is shit” coming from an internationally reknowned and up until now respected jazz musician is sad to say the least.His critic of “Virtuosic difficult”music is equally perplexing as some of his own writings and conceptions are by no means audience friendly.On the one hand he is critical and targeting a whole group if not a generation of musicians and managing to promote his new supossedly audience friendly music at the same time.Shameful.I will still enjoy his music (if its any good)just with slightly less enthusiasm than before as a result of his unhelpful rant.As for the comments on audience and Kind of Blue..im left speaclhess..So not only are Jazz musicians shit these days but audiences are too..unbelievable
      Would be great to play again some day.
      Best wishes
      Ed

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